AN EPOCH OF MISERY |
| AMNA NAWAZ, of the News Hour: Columbia University and the Trump administration have reached a deal that restores federal funding and research grant money to the university. As part of the agreement, Columbia will pay $200 million to the federal government over three years and an additional $21 million to resolve alleged civil rights violations against Jewish employees. The university agreed to suspend, expel, or revoke degrees from some 70 students who participated in pro-Palestinian demonstrations and it will issue a report to a monitor to ensure diversity, equity, and inclusion is not promoted on campus. Columbia, which was at risk of losing billions of dollars from the government, says it retains its academic freedom. For a closer look at this agreement and what it means for a higher education in the U.S., I'm joined by Michael Roth, president of Wesleyan University. President Roth, welcome back to the "News Hour." Thanks for joining us. MICHAEL ROTH: Thanks for having me. NAWAZ: So let's just start with your initial reaction. When you heard the news and the details of this settlement, what did you think? ROTH: Well, I felt like one must feel when you have paid a ransom in a kidnapping situation and the person who's been kidnapped is returned safely. You think, thank goodness, the kid's OK, or the person kidnapped is OK. But I wouldn't praise the agreement that led to the liberation of the kidnapped person. And so, in this case, I was pleased that this particular moment of assault on higher education by the Trump administration has been resolved, at least for now, although who knows? These agreements come and go with this White House. I was and I am distressed that, in this country today, the executive branch of the federal government wants to be able to dictate terms to private universities, law firms, newspapers, TV stations. And so all of these things are evidence that the current administration is trying to erode support for institutions in civil society. NAWAZ: Let me put to you, if I may, what the acting president of Columbia University, Claire Shipman, said in an interview on CNN this morning defending the terms of the deal. Claire Shipman, Acting President, Columbia University: "I think there are a couple of really important things about this agreement from our point of view. One, it doesn't cross the red lines that we laid out. It protects our academic integrity. That was, of course, essential to us. "And, two, it does reset our relationship with the federal government in terms of research funding. And it's not just money for Columbia. I mean, this is about science. It's about curing cancer, cutting-edge, boundary-breaking science that actually benefits the country and humanity." NAWAZ: President Roth, do you believe that, after this deal, Columbia can move forward with full academic freedom, as President Shipman there is saying? And what do you believe the downstream effects of making a deal like this are for other universities? ROTH: Well, it's very clear that if you annoy the White House in this regime, you could get sucked into a process of litigation or fines that bear no relation to the facts of the matter, but just become a way of expressing loyalty, of conforming to the wishes of the government. We saw it at UVA (University of Virginia) just a week or two ago. You see it now at George Mason (University). This is an effort to tell universities, as they have told law firms, as they're telling newspapers and as they have done with TV stations, telling these organizations, you are not independent. If you contract with the federal government, we have a — we, the government, has the right to tell you what to do. This agreement does protect many things at Columbia. And, again, I'm not criticizing them for signing it. I don't criticize the parent for paying a ransom to get their kids back. They're getting their science back. But they're also telling the federal government, you can tell us how to run our Middle East studies program, telling the federal government, you can tell us how many police officers we should have at a minimum on campus or how students should be disciplined. The White House has determined how students should be disciplined at a private university. This is massive overreach. This is an assault on the independence of civil society in America. And conservatives, liberals, moderates, they should all be concerned when a White House tells you how to run your private associations. NAWAZ: So you're saying they should be concerned. As you note, Columbia is not the only university that's been targeted by this administration. Harvard, as we have been covering, has actually been fighting the administration in court, but we know there's also settlement talks going on. Do you believe universities and colleges will have no other choice but to make some kind of deal in order to move forward? ROTH: Well, I do think that, when you're dealing with a very, very powerful entity like the federal government, especially when it doesn't obey its own laws — I mean, there are no findings of fact here about what the specific actions of anti-Semitism were — or discrimination against white people. There's no findings of facts there. It's just, you give us $221 million, and then we allow you to compete for grants. I mean, it's a very old-fashioned game. You pay the powerful figure so that you can go along and continue to operate. Now, you operate in a way, of course, that you don't want to annoy that powerful figure or that powerful organization. And it sends a chilling message across America that, if you have a late-night comedy show, if you have a law firm, if you are working in an educational institution or a library, or, as we read today, in a museum like the Smithsonian, if you don't please the president, you are at risk. And, again, I don't blame them for trying to make the best of that situation, but, as Americans, I'm not worried about Columbia. I'm not worried about Wesleyan. I'm worried about the country, where we are being subject to a White House that thinks it could tell us what to do at every turn. NAWAZ: As you know, the administration has long argued that this was about combating antisemitism on campus. This was a deal welcomed by Columbia's Hillel Jewish organization. The executive director said in part: "The announcement's an important recognition of what Jewish students and families have expressed with increasing urgency. Anti-Semitism at Columbia is real. It has a tangible impact on Jewish students' sense of safety, belonging, and their civil rights." I guess the question, President Roth, is if it makes Jewish students and staff feel safer, did the administration pressure and the deal do what it intended to do? ROTH: How does paying the government $220 million to do basic science make Jews safer? As a Jew, I find this horrific. I know anti-Semitism is real, and I know it was real and is real at Columbia, as it is in Congress, as it is in most places in the United States. But the idea that you pay off the government in order to get them off your back so you can do cancer research, and that's good for the Jews, I think it's ridiculous. We don't need the White House to tell us anti-Semitism is real two weeks after the Defense Department contracts with Grok, Elon Musk's artificial intelligence entity after it praised Hitler. This is an administration that is not concerned with Jewish welfare. I am concerned with Jewish welfare as a Jew, as a professor, as a college president. I think it's really important to call out anti-Semitism. But to pay up basically protection money in a way that's supposed to make Jews safer, I think, in the long run, it's — as we say in my community, it's not good for the Jews. NAWAZ: That is Michael Roth, president of Wesleyan University, joining us tonight. President Roth, thank you for your time. ROTH: Thank you for having me. |
Adams is right - the academic barrel is not completely rotten, and, in fact, I had planned today's Roth interview as a follow up and contrast to Pelton.
What led to my exaggeration is the worry that unless enough campus institutions fight back as a group, Trump-the-bully will have a greater chance of success. I should be more careful as a writer - as should the campus quislings.
In short, bullies can be beaten - but only if enough would-be victims stand up to them.
As the cliche/ slogan goes ( not necessarily from Ben Franklin):
'We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.'
The following links were used in preparation of this post:
A VOICE OF CAMPUS CAPITULATION
What it sounds like when higher-ed
kowtows to the schoolyard bully
And it’s not Donald Trump, the psychopath and the most accomplished extortionist-gangster-bully president in American history; nor, for that matter, is it one of the slavish, suck-up enablers of Trump's Republican cult; nor is it one of the Trump whisperers, like the loathsome aide Stephen Miller, the presumed architect of Trump's racist immigration pogrom.
The people who are undermining the country are outwardly the most respectable, admired and upright people among us. For the purposes of this discussion, let’s call this convocation of thugs, traitors and turncoats by their official titles: college presidents and trustees.
What a disgusting, repugnant bunch.
While the rest of us are wringing our hands and self-flagellating about “what can we do” to reverse Trump’s assault on America and democracy, we are being double-crossed by this supposedly articulate, well-dressed, highly credentialed, and probably decent-smelling gang of academic betrayers.
They are allowing Trump to extort their institutions of higher education by reaching “settlements” that are nothing more than shakedown demands in which power, not money, is the extorter-in-chief’s most favored kind of tribute.
By caving in to Trump to protect their own interests, the compliant campuses trigger a chain reaction of capitulation throughout the educational eco-system, which then extends to businesses, non-profit organizations, religious institutions and other sectors in the rest of the country.
You’d think that the university and college royalty would be in the best position – due to its vast intellectual and institutional resources – to confront the most common kind of educational outlaw: the schoolyard bully.
But instead of teaching the rest of us about how to neuter and defeat the schoolyard bully, the higher-ed crowd is conducting a national seminar in capitulation and humiliation, empowering the bully to succeed beyond his wildest expectations.
Recently, I actually heard an actual Voice of Capitulation, spelling out the rationalizations, defeatism and doublespeak that threatens not only the leafy campuses of academia, but the country itself.
The forum was the weekday midday radio program, “Boston Public Radio,” (*see correction at end) produced by GBH, the Boston public broadcasting superpower and featuring long-time co-hosts Margery Eagan and Jim Braudy, who have an engaging sweet-and-sour chemistry and a relentless liberal focus.
One of their interviewees this day – July 29 – was a regular guest of the show, M. Lee Pelton, former president at two campuses, Willamette University in Oregon and Emerson College in Massachusetts and, since 2021, CEO of the Boston Foundation.
I don’t know anything about Pelton, who may have a personal history of educational accomplishment and social heroism, but on this day, he gave a shocking, if candid, rationale for kowtowing to Trump.
What follows is a transcript I made of a portion of the interview, which you can hear for yourself on the station’s podcast, at this link: https://www.wgbh.org/podcasts/boston-public-radio/bpr-full-show-7-29-such-as-it-is
I apologize in advance for the awkwardness of translating a verbal exchange into a printed format. And I’ve edited some of Braude’s typically long-winded question/lectures.
The co-hosts were concerned about a report in the New York Times that Harvard University may be edging toward a huge financial settlement with the Trump administration. They were obviously worried that Harvard might follow the lead of Columbia University, which earlier had caved into Trump’s demands for tribute to correct alleged anti-Semitism.
| MARGERY EAGAN: . . . Now, shortly after closing their diversity offices at Harvard that serve minority students, LGBTQ students and women, they've closed that over there at Harvard, now, they may be open to spending up to $500 million to get Trump off their back and making some concessions to the president. So what do you think? JIM BRAUDE: Can I break up your questions? So I’m interested to hear first what you think of the done deal of the Columbia thing and then we can move on to what we're reading in the New York Times this morning, what do you think about what happened? LEE PELTON: Well, you know, when Bart Giamatti stepped down as the president of Yale, he said that being a college president is no way for an adult to make a living. And this is especially true these days. So the paradigm shift, which has been in existence for quite a while, but which the Trump administration has taken advantage of, is it's private universities are really not private anymore. EAGAN: Right. PELTON: They're not private, because they're beholden to federal funding of, you know, the billions of dollars, that's for Columbia, that's for Harvard. And so you find yourself in a position of having to capitulate and, you know, I think unfortunately that's just where we are. And they're just, they're, they're not the beginning, but they're one of several private universities that I think will not be able to survive with the withdrawal of billions of dollars in federal funding to support their research and other aspects of the university. BRAUDE: So would you've done the same thing – you were president of Emerson – if you were confronted with the same situation… you're being accused by somebody who hangs out with neo Nazis, the President United States, of anti-Semitism? We know there is is anti-Semitism being dealt with; we know he blows it out of proportion. And they say to you, not only do we want money from you, not only are we gonna limit your academic freedom, you have to agree to a monitor, an outside monitor to oversee your compliance. Would you agree to that? PELTON: I don't know. I mean, I can't speak . . . . BRAUDE: I think you do know. PELTON: No, I know I can't because I can't speak to the particulars of this, of this, only what I read in the press, so I don't know what else, what are some of the other aspects of this. But you know, we live in an authoritarian, of the authoritarian federal government. BRUADE: So you give into authoritarianism. Is that what? Because you have no choice? Because they . . . . PELTON: Maybe, yeah, maybe. I don't, I don't know. I don't know what I would do in that situation, because I'm not confronted with it. I don't know all the facts, the details and so on and so forth. I think it's unfortunate. It, it upsets me to no end. And, but, should I be upset with the fact that they capitulated, or should I be upset because we have this authoritarian regime that is using all of its tools to bring colleges and universities to their knees? BRAUDE: This may be totally naive, because I've never had a job at that level of responsibility like you did when you ran Emerson or (Claire) Shipman (acting president at Columbia) or (President Alan) Garber over there at Harvard. But it's, there's no question that if you don't cut a deal and you lose – well, you know, even if you win the litigation, it's about short term funding – Trump legally will probably deny billions in the future . . . . PELTON: Right. But it's not just money that – this is not money. This is about people. And so, you know, dozens, hundreds of people will no longer be able to work there. Or be able to do their, you know, the lifesaving research that we all depend on. So it's not, you know, we can talk about it in terms of, of, you know, monetary perspective, but it's, it's much more than that, it's really about, it's really about people. EAGAN: But you know what? You're, you're much more of an historian than I am. You're certainly much more of an expert on civil rights struggles than I am. It seems to me that in every kind of struggle, particularly in the civil rights struggle, there were people that were willing to say “No, I'm not . . . . I’m gonna to stand up . . . “ at risk of their own lives, and people lost their lives, never mind their jobs,. And it seems like that's sort of, I mean I'm quite a coward myself, so I'm not, you know, (if) I could stand up to this kind of pressure. Do you know what I'm saying? But this doesn't; this doesn't work. PELTON: Yeah, but it's, maybe it doesn't, we'll see. But it's a massive, massive scale, and it involves hundreds of thousands of people. It involves giving up the search to do lifesaving research for millions of people. So you know…. EAGAN: So you don’t think he won’t back down? You don't think he’ll get his capitulation, and then he’ll say: Ha, ha, ha? PELTON: I don't know. I, I, I have no idea whether or not he will back down. We'll, we'll see. The history is, of course, he will change his mind and some quixotic moment. So you know, we'll just, we’ll see, so . . . . BRAUDE: Can I ask you one more thing here on this deal, and by the way, I, I… It's very hard to say what you're saying. I know it is, because I know you, and I know how you feel about fights, and you are a guy who fights. But you've also been a university president . . . . If the most powerful university in the world gets accused of anti-Semitism. They think they have a legal case against what Trump is doing; they decide to drop it to make a settlement that at least in part gives in to Trump. Then it seems to me that the message to Donald Trump is that you should send a letter to every single college and university that gets a dollar in federal funding, accuse them of anti-Semitism – no hearings, no nothing, no due process – and say, if it turns out you don't cut a deal with me like Harvard and Columbia did, next week, you're never getting another federal dollar. I mean, that's not a ridiculous extrapolation from the Columbia and potentially the Harvard situation. Is it? PELTON: No, it's not. But this is not just about anti-Semitism, this is about the erasure of DEI. BRAUDE: Exactly! Exactly! And the anti-Semitism thing is the cover. PELTON: Yeah, this is what this is about and it's, it's – the scale it, of the encroachment of it is really frightening and disturbing. BRAUDE: You talk to some of these presidents; you talk, you talk to some of these people, I assume, is that right? PELTON: No, not so much. BRAUDE: Really, is that true? You're not making eye contact with me? PELTON: No, no, I know, I mean, I've got my own gig. . . . (They all laugh at Pelton’s joke that his current job is running the community foundation, not a college or university.) |
Most distressing was Pelton’s defeatism.
He deemed that the fight is over and that, as the saying goes, resistance is futile; that the universities are out-gunned by the federal government; that the bully has all the cards.
Further, Pelton says there’s simply too much to lose to warrant resistance – billions of dollars, vital research, hundreds and thousands of employees and their jobs..
And that complexity confounds a solution: the “problem” has deep historical roots; the facts, unknown and known, differ from place to place.
All of which is nonsense.
Bullies, whether they haunt the schoolyard or the White House, succeed when the rest of us let them.
If enough universities stand up to Trump, he cannot succeed. But if one university after another makes an individual “deal” with Trump, it encourages the rest to fall into line.
As of this writing, the latest cave-in is Rhode Island’s homegrown member of the Ivy League.
Brown University announced a “settlement” that doesn’t seem as egregious as Columbia’s. But Brown still gave Trump his due: spending money that’s in short supply at the university for Rhode Island workforce development. Brown also agreed not to do something it doesn’t do anyway: provide medical treatment to transsexual minors. But, by failing to robustly defend transsexuals, the agreement opens the door to Trumpian scapegoating of other minorities.
Still, the details of the Brown agreement aren’t as important as that fact that the university agreed to a settlement in the first place. That betrayed the rest of us and encourages others to follow its example.
In dealing with bullies, what counts is what the crowd does: stand up to the bully or give in.
Lee Pelton, of course, is not the source of the problem. He’s not promoting Trump; he’s not currently a college president.
But, chillingly, he gives voice to the quisling mentality that is empowering the schoolyard bully.
His voice is what capitulation sounds like.
The following links were used in preparation of this post:
- https://www.wgbh.org/podcasts/boston-public-radio/bpr-full-show-7-29-such-as-it-is
- https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-settlement-what-to-know.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/us/politics/trump-harvard-payment.html
- https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/07/30/metro/brown-university-deal-trump-research-federal-funding/
- Go to brown.edu, then "news."
* Correction: The original version of this post wrongly identified the program on which Lee Pelton appeared as "Greater Boston." The correct title is "Boston Public Radio."
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